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‘Ahsoka’ Composers The Kiners Discuss Collaboration With Dave Filoni, Revisiting Previous ‘Star Wars’ Themes, and a Humorous George Lucas Anecdote

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One of essentially the most nice bulletins to return out of Star Wars Celebration this 12 months was the affirmation that Kevin Kiner, longtime composer of Star Wars animation, could be making the soar to live-action to put in writing the music of Ahsoka. Kiner introduced alongside his two youngsters, Deana and Sean Kiner, who’ve been collaborating with him for 10 years (Kevin is credited with “Music by” whereas Deana and Sean seem as “Additional music by”). It’s been their work on new and variations of previous themes has been one of many largest standouts of all the present.


The trio was not too long ago interviewed by ScreenRant about their course of, significantly when it got here to bringing in earlier character themes however utilized in a complete new mild. What follows are a few of the highlights from the 30-minute dialog, which you’ll be able to take a look at in full at that hyperlink. The Kiners revealed that they have been over the moon about inserting of their favourite character themes in key moments of the present, whereas showrunner Dave Filoni was always holding them again and asking them to play with the feelings:


Deana Kiner: “It actually comes from nice steering from Dave Filoni, who was actually useful in giving us that perception of after we would use any individual’s theme. He could be like, ‘No, this isn’t the time or place for this; they’re in a distinct spot. You want to grasp they’re on a distinct a part of their journey; they’re not the identical person who they have been 11 years in the past. Their atmosphere is totally different. Their feelings are totally different. They’re going by means of a distinct factor.’ It was actually useful to have that, as a result of we’d positively fall into that.”

Kevin Kiner: “He needed to de-geek us. We’re like, ‘Let’s do Sabine’s theme!’ and he’s like, ‘No, not proper now. Play her feelings; that’s your job.’ Then, we’re like, ‘Oh, yeah. I’ve solely been doing this for 40 years; I ought to know that.’ But we’re so geeked out about utilizing the themes.”


(L-R): Baylan Skoll (Ray Stevenson) and Ahsoka Tano (Rosario Dawson) in Lucasfilm’s STAR WARS: AHSOKA, completely on Disney+. ©2023 Lucasfilm Ltd. & TM. All Rights Reserved.


Kevin Kiner additionally talked in regards to the indispensable enter that his two youngsters dropped at Ahsoka — the now-iconic end-credits theme was really born out of an thought that they had for a variation of the Ahsoka theme, because the composer defined:


Kevin Kiner:  “An ideal instance of [progressing the music] is what these two did with my Ahsoka theme. That has its roots in Tales of the Jedi, the place we did the beginning of Ahsoka episode, after which the three episodes about Ahsoka. They got here up with a variation of the Ahsoka theme which is now the start of the top credit of Ahsoka. It’s a variation of what was in Tales of the Jedi, but it surely’s taking that melody… and we just do play the melody afterward in the long run credit, however initially, it’s a variation of that theme, and it’s a brand new take. It has this groove in it, which we name a Ronin groove. It’s a Ronin motif.”


An enormous introduction to the present music-wise was the track “Igyah Kuh”, which performs over Sabine’s introduction in Part One. The trio was very enthusiastic about enjoying round with the thought of Earth-y music within the Star Wars galaxy:


Deana Kiner: “For such a very long time, we actually targeted on ensuring that these sorts of supply music or cantina songs sounded as alien as attainable–very uncommon, very totally different. I believe it’s very nice to have gotten to a spot the place it’s identical to, ‘Oh, we are able to simply make, like—

Kevin Kiner: –straight-up punk, or straight-up rock.’

Deana Kiner: Yeah. It’s fantasy. We can play with it and discover, and that was an enormous a part of it. Initially, with that piece, we approached it with a really like, ‘This must sound alien. This must sound uncommon and totally different,’ [mentality]. Then we realized, ‘Oh, we simply have to type of make this a banger.’”


(Center, L-R): Baylan Skoll (Ray Stevenson) and Shin Hati (Ivanna Sakhno) with Peridea bandits and howlers in Lucasfilm’s STAR WARS: AHSOKA, completely on Disney+. ©2023 Lucasfilm Ltd. & TM. All Rights Reserved.


Kevin Kiner then went on to inform a narrative about one in all his first conferences with George Lucas, one he says he’s instructed a number of occasions earlier than, however that we’ll repeat right here for these unfamiliar with it (like myself):


Sean Kiner: “That being mentioned, George Lucas is the consummate experimenter, so I’m positive he would have been open to it.”

Kevin Kiner: “I imply, he threw a CD of hip-hop stuff at me in my first assembly with him. Maybe it was the second assembly with him, I don’t know; it was 2006 or 2007. I’ve instructed the story plenty of occasions: he wished to get that into Clone Wars. There have been, like, eight folks within the room, they usually’re like, ‘This is a horrible thought. Don’t—’ George walks into the room, and everyone’s lifeless silent, so it was on me to inform George this can be a unhealthy thought. But that’s simply how he was.

I needed to do what he mentioned, so I did it, however I additionally had one thing in my hip pocket that type of had a mixture of a few of these hip-hop sounds and rhythms however had the orchestra in it. I needed to play him, first, the one which he requested for. It was a bizarre scenario [because you don’t want to] do one thing that’s a foul thought and get your self fired, however the boss requested you to do that unhealthy thought. I say unhealthy thought, however he simply liked to experiment.”


They additionally mentioned writing music for Grand Admiral Thrawn, whose theme in Star Wars: Rebels, and now Ahsoka, was written for an organ (a Dave Filoni thought, as they famous). Thrawn’s introduction within the sixth episode was a type of scenes through which they actually wished to go large with the character’s theme, however they in the end realized it didn’t fairly match:


Deana Kiner: “We have been like, ‘Thrawn’s theme. Let’s go.’”

Kevin Kiner: “With the organ…”

Deana Kiner: “[We were doing] all of the arpeggiations and every little thing, each side of it, and having it develop with the scene. But then as we went over it with Dave, he was like, ‘This piece is enjoying the music. We have to be targeted on the second and the scene.’”

Sean Kiner: “And the purpose of the scene will not be the music.”

Deana Kiner: “Exactly. So, after we got here again to the drafting board, we have been like, ‘Especially since so many individuals haven’t met this individual, we have to let you know, “This is a very harmful, unhealthy man”. We want so as to add weight to it. We have to inject worry into simply listening to that one observe.’ That’s how we type of developed [it]. We began to distort the organ; we discovered other ways to make it far more atmospheric to match the presence of his ship and make you are feeling the presence of this destroyer.”


(L-R): Grand Admiral Thrawn (Lars Mikkelsen) and Morgan Elsbeth (Diana Lee Inosanto) in Lucasfilm’s STAR WARS: AHSOKA, completely on Disney+. ©2023 Lucasfilm Ltd. & TM. All Rights Reserved.


The Kiners have been additionally requested in regards to the largest variations between composing for a live-action present versus an animated collection, to which they gave a easy reply: this time, they got a stay orchestra. It was really Sean Kiner who mentioned the enjoyment that was working with them:


Sean Kiner: “They would come as much as us after the recording and simply discuss in regards to the music, and we developed a relationship with not solely the folks, but additionally the folks’s talents, and we received to know what their strengths have been. It impressed us to put in writing for them in subsequent episodes. We hadn’t written the entire season when the primary episode was recorded, and so then, we have been like, ‘I actually wish to write one thing for the lead viola participant,’ or, ‘I wish to actually write one thing for the concertmaster.’ That was a very neat dynamic, and that was very totally different within the present versus the animated stuff.”


You could discover the complete interview with Kevin, Deana, and Sean Kiner on ScreenRant. The ultimate episode of Ahsoka airs on Tuesday night, and Sean and Deana’s Twitter account is already buzzing with pleasure:



Check again on Wednesday morning for our overview of Part Eight and keep tuned for SWNN Live! approaching Thursday night time!


Miguel Fernández is a Spanish pupil that has films as his second ardour in life. His favourite film of all time is The Lord of the Rings, however he’s additionally an enormous Star Wars fan. However, fantasy films aren’t his solely cup of tea, as films from Scorsese, Fincher, Kubrick or Hitchcock have been an obsession for him since he began to grasp the language of filmmaking. He is that man who will watch a black and white film, simply because it’s in black and white.

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